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Hey Jagdish,
not sure if this is a personal blogging area.....and if i invaded that space...I do read ur blogs regularly....
I totally agree with you on Chauvinism to a language....but let me assure you it prevails throughout the country...I am a tamilian brought up in karnataka, and I used to see this chauvinism as u call it all the time whenever i used to got to tamil nadu on vacation...Now i'm out of the country and what do I see in this foreign nation....again...deep rooted chauvinism to the universal language English....
but i wouldnt be totally surprised if the karnataka govt bans the screening of the movie...
I dont know if you read an article in rediff somedays back abt Anniyan remade in Hindi and the critic Mr.Raja Sen had many a bad things to say about the south indian languages and culture...so its not only chauvinism per se but also a distinct barrier between the south and north
bindu: I've stayed in Madras practically my entire life. I agree language chauvinism exists everywhere. But perhaps as a result of Bangalore being far more cosmopolitan than Madras, there's a greater chance of linguistic feelings cropping up. Mind you, TN's anti-Hindi agitation still rumbles on. But I suspect that since the Tamil film industry is a much bigger entity than it's Kannada counterpart and because Kannada movies are far more unlikely to be seen in TN than Tamil movies in Karnataka, obviously there's a lot more noise generated in the context of non-Kannada movies being screened here. I've always wondered why Karnataka & Tamil Nadu keep snapping at each other - Kaveri, movies, Veerappan, etc. etc.
Everytime I think its a phase and it has passed, some or the form of strange regional jingoism crops up!And its everywhere..for the guy in Delhi, anything south of MP is "Madras".. the auto-wallah in Chennai hikes up the price by 50 bucks the sec you talk to him in Hindi and the guys in Bangalore didn't want English movies screened in the theatres!! Where and when will it all end?I mean sure take pride in your culture, language, art forms, whtever else gets you going but not to the point of being just plain ludicrous!Somehow we can't distiguish the line between healthy passion and spooky fanaticism!And politicians jump into the mix to play to this strange demographic!To those people all I have to say is, "Sheesh, pleeease, Get A Life!!"
Sorry for the rant...it just made me mad! :-)
Yup I would say the same thing.....Please get a life!! I have personally know people like that who just cant distinguish between a healthy passion for a culture, language etc and fanaticism. I have come accross heated debates on this subject....its just a silver lining for these politicians when the Aam Janta are like this.
But i do hope this changes over time ( guess something impossible to hope for :-).....I'm just wondering if people are so fanatic about a language then what about those who live in Kashmir/border of IndoPak wherein they are fighting for the land.....Phew its just too much for me right now....gotta go for work...will come back and blog more
I'm not denying that jingoism exists everywhere. I tend to think that this whole Kannada-Tamil jingoism is far more prevalent than others. Given that the two states have never really been part of a single entity even prior to 1947, unlike say Andhra & TN, I really do find these "wars" hilarious and irritating.
Hello Guys,
What if we kannadigas make a movie on veerapaani kaatubomman or some Tamil ruler and make a comedy movie out of it.How will you feel ?
It was not only about Pulikeshi a kannadiga ruler who ruled the most part of south india during his times. But also Sangolli rayanna who was a freedom fighter and who was hanged to death by the British. Language chauvinism you say ...Kannada film industry had planned to make a movie on Sangolli Rayanna and wanted Arjun Sarja to be cast as hero to which the Tamil pundits opposed...so are you people not narrow minded...
When you are pointing your finger towards us don't forget to see the other 3 fingers which are pointing towards urself. Tamil movies are run in Good quality theatres in Bangalore while kannada movies are struggling to get theatres which are of inferior quality. Employees here in BEL, HAL and BEML are max tamilians and mallus....
Tamilians are running into Karntaka like never before all becos of Tsunami's and bad weather and religious killings that happen at ur place..
You people even didnot accept Hindi while Hindi rules the roost here in Bangalore
Mahesh: Veerapandiya Kattabomman was apparently Telugu (hiak! hiak!). I wouldn't care about it, personally. I can't speak for other Tamilians. I'd probably even enjoy the movie if it was good. That analogy you mention about 'three fingers pointing towards me' is very novel. If Kannada movies are struggling to be screened in theatres, it is because of the quality of the movies, surely. How many commercial Kannada movies are _not_ remakes of Tamil/Hindi/Telugu originals?
Ok forget about Veerapandya Kattabomman who acc. to you is a Telugu. Lets use some other name for our movie.
How about...
1) arivu ketta MG ramachandran
2) moorkha arasu kanchi talaivan
shivaji
Ok forget about Veerapandya Kattabomman who acc. to you is a Telugu. Lets use some other name for our movie.
How about...
1) arivu ketta MG ramachandran
2) moorkha arasu kanchi talaivan
shivaji
Hey. I have no qualms about either. Like I said earlier, I can't/don't speak for other Tamilians. The core issue is something you've not addressed. This chauvinism also arises from the crappy quality of today's Kannada movies. How many are _not_ remakes of Tamil/Telugu/Hindi movies?
Interesting Points and Discussion.
i am willing to sponsor a one way ticket on the shatabti to chennai. please leave our city at once.
anonymous: If my reaction to someone pointing out flaws with "my" city is to ask them to leave, I'd be very worried.
Hey Man,
This is Mahesh here again.
Do you think every kannada movie is a remake of Tamil/Telugu etc. Come on you can't get your stomach filled by watching movies. We kannadigas have far more than just movies. If movies are life then why so many tamilians are pouring into Karnataka like never before.If you feel everything Tamil is great and godly then i suggest you stay there and you should be happy.
I would like to name few kannada movies which are originals and great hits and are being remade in Telugu and Tamil
1.Jogi
2.Apthamithra (which was remade into chandramukhi) >> just compare the two..
3.Nenapirali( 5 film fare awards)
4.Amurthadaare
5.Datta
6.Mata
and many more.......
How many of your blockbuster movies aren't remakes from Telugu and malayalam. Consider all mahesh babu's movies being remade into Vijay's movies.
We kannadigas are not movie fanatics like you people who burn theatre screens if you hear rash dialogues against ur superstar on screen and make hits of all the movies churned out of Tamil filmdom.
We kannadigas watch only quality movies out of all the kannada movies. Except Anniyan there weren't many hits in Tamil in 2005. Also Ghazini was inspired from an English movie...do you know that...
Mahesh: I didn't say that _every_ Kannada movie is a remake. Please read my post/comments properly. True, movies aren't life. But this post is about chauvinism shown in the context of movies. I feel sorry for you, and others, who are so patriotic about Bangalore that they say "If you want to complain about something, don't bother to come here".
Your list of movies is impressive. But let me point out that Apta Mitra was in fact a remake of Manichitrathazhu (Malayalam). As for Tamil movies being remakes from other languages, that may be the case. But the proportion is far less compared to Kannada. The number of hits are also far more. I do hope to learn Kannada one day to appreciate the good movies which're made here. But at this point in time, purely on the basis of reading/hearing what's happening around me, the news doesn't sound good for Sandalwood.
The Tamil movie industry isn't in the doldrums. Reading the news over the last few days, it seems like the Kannada movie industry sure is.
Kannada Producers deadlock - http://entertainment.oneindia.in/movies/regional/kannada/top-stories/kannada-producers-deadlock-061006.html
Move to release other language films dubbed into Kannada opposed - http://www.hindu.com/2006/11/04/stories/2006110404030400.htm
Waiting for Ambareesh...but can he get film industry to patch up? - http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov62006/state018172006116.asp
Speak unitedly, film industry told - http://www.hindu.com/2006/10/28/stories/2006102801010500.htm
Can Darshan save Kannada cinema? - http://specials.rediff.com/movies/2006/oct/13sld1.htm
Notice that Thangigaagi is in fact a remake of Tirupaachi (Vijay, Trisha etc.)
I rest my case.
part XVII of the constitution:
defines OFFICIAL language (NOT national lang)
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17.html
Article 345: This gives the State govt., power to decide its own "OFFICIAL LANGUAGE"
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17345.html
Article 343: This defines hindi and english to be the "OFFICIAL LANGUAGES" of union govt.
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17343.html
DIFFERENCE:
NATIONAL LANGUAGE: defines the people of the nation, culture, history.
OFFICIAL LANGUAGE: used for official communication
While a National language by default can become the Official langauge, an Official language has to be APPROVED legally to become the National language.
India has NO NATIONAL LANGUAGES ONLY 23 OFFICIAL languages
That's right, Om.
But we're not talking of 'official' or 'national' languages here. Kannada may be the official language of Karnataka, just as Tamil is that of TN while Maharashtra uses Marathi, Gujarat uses Gujarati, Orissa uses Oriya while Punjab uses Punjabi.
Does that give the state, or indeed the "self-styled" protectors of the language (typically the same), the power to implement a militant brand of language chauvinism? I think/hope not!
hi just read that u have written so i thought i will reply ,are you staying in bangalooru i think u are ,have you gone to tamil nadu ,when i went it was diffcult to know which bust to catch cos all was written in the great language tamil.even the route # they are not chauvinist but people how say that the movie name is not appropriate are chauvinist and ya that movie should not be relesed in karnataka,how many tamil speaking people are settled in begalooru do you know u want kavery here also and want that for tamilnadu also.u people want water ,food .job and all the basic needs but u do not want to learn kannada are u dont want to give respect for kannadigas cos we are chauvinist.if you do not like karnataka some body as told that they willl book a oneway ticket in shathdi i will offer u a frist class airticket .
learn to respect the language and culture where you are in by doing that u can go a long way
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Hi mahesh,
You said Apthamithra is original ?? Even Tamilians know that its a remake of old malayalam classic "manichithrathazhu" also its now being remade as Bool Bulaiyya in Hindi..
DANDAM DASHAGUNAM...it'z not about the quality of kannada films..people here lack of marketing skills or may be too lazy when compare to other industries...otherwise there is no difference in the quality of movies made in all languages...all are same...tamil/telugu is full of hypes and marketing...forget about hindi..it'z just glamour industry...
just refer this link once...you will come to know abt some real facts..
http://www.totalkannada.com/Anatomy%20of%20Kannada%20Films.asp
I often wondered why they bother to make Kannada movie.
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